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April 13, 2010

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Melissa May

Reminds me of the various celebrities and sports figures who've tried to say the same thing. They're all for the praise and adulation that comes from their position but if they get questioned about some "off" public behavior, well that's none of your business.

Seems to me that we don't necessarily get to choose our status as a role model most of the time. It's not something you take a class for or become licensed to do. It's simply a part of who you are, whoever you are. The fact of the matter is, somebody is always watching. And if teachers, of all people, can't take that seriously then who will?

Julie

"They saw something inappropriate, but they were not harmed"

What does he mean by "harmed"? Sure the kids weren't beaten, but who is to say that after wittnessing that incident (which for younger students I would say could be quite emotionally scarring) that their perception of authority/leadership is now somewhat tainted? Or maybe if it was one of their more favoured teachers, they would now aspire to conduct themselves in a similar manner? If that's not harmful, I'm not sure what is.

Perhaps if he dug a bit deeper and asked more than a few students what they thought of the event, he would realize that no broken bones or severely emotionally distraught children doesn't necessarily mean that no harm has been done.

Koni

Ok - if you didn't want to influence kids and live your life in front of them - WHY did you become a teacher? Do these teachers not remember how crazy uncomfortable it is to see ones teachers outside of school? Let alone seeing them being all ... you know...

Rocky

I agree. Teachers are role models and need to acknowledge their position as such; and I think most become teachers because of their desire to inspire young people in the first place. I believe it was some time in the late 60's and early 70's that this transition to "value-neutral" education happened. Before that time, morals and values were deemed an essential part of education, but when the social shift of the 1960s and 70s, that included such concepts as sexual liberation, happened, it was decided that the government/public services should not attempt to inculcate values in citizens. Parents ought to be free to teach whatever values and morals (or lack thereof) they wanted to their children, free from interference from public schools. Similarly, with the increased rejection of religion from public discourse, talking about morality became equally unacceptable because of it's traditional relationship to organized religion. And that attitude, although it appears to be slowly shifting, still dictates public education today. Bummer!

Emily

I saw the video--that was totally disgusting!

Shanna

Lewd dancing by teachers at school functions is not appropriate. Period. I don't get how this even seemed like a good idea. That said, I hope this doesn't cause any extra sort of moral policing of teachers lives outside of school. Let them have private lives outside of school, and short of any illegal activities, judge them on their in-school on the job behavior only.

I'm going back to school for education, I want to help students, not embarrass them with poorly thought out pep rally skits. I also want to go out occasionally with a friend or two and dance without anyone accusing me of corrupting minors because I'm drinking and dancing in a 21+ club on the weekend. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that, I just worry about how overeager the american public in general gets after incidents like this one.

Robin Goodfellow

You know, I was going to say it was no biggie, until I saw the part with the oral sex gesture, and then crotch-in-the-facing.

I mean, if it was just slight gyrating, facing away from the teacher on the chair... it would have just been "icky" (for me, if I had been one of the students) as opposed to "so now you're saying you're advocating public oral sex and thrusting my [crotch] in women's faces?!".

It's a shame it went so far, instead of coming off as teachers just looking disturbingly dorky.

Wendy

Chaya, what happened to that girl who taped it--didn't administrators initially threaten that they were going to discipline HER for videotaping the incident? I'm curious what ended up happening with that....

More evidence of moral confusion I suppose.

Chaya Harrison

In answer to your question Wendy, here's the update

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/03/03/13104631.html
The students will not be reprimanded.
Many of the students do not want to see the teachers fired either. They feel that the teachers have been punished enough - the whole thing going viral and the total embarrassment this has caused them.

This situation also raises the question of the right to privacy.Some argue that the teachers would not have been caught if it hadn't been filmed. But why not? First of all, students could have reported it to the principal. Also, I have not heard of any other teachers being present, but if it was a rally, I wonder if there were other staff members present.
What would be great is if everyone learned and grew from this experience. There are consequences to our actions.

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