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February 09, 2006

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christine

Be careful Taylor, he might just be trying to manipulate you. But I like what you have to say.

Jeannine

Taylor,

I love your posts! You always have great remarks.

You are exactly right about the demeaning big fashion houses, Abercrombie and Fitch is about as abhorrent as they come. There is nothing wrong with beautifully attractive clothing, but it's an entirely another thing to market clothing to girls that implies all women "service men" as briefly, frequently and detachedly as the local prostitute.

On your other point, it's certainly wonderful to be beautifully sweet which you are. Yet you are very right to trust your gut instinct about the manner in which this boy approached you. I'm sure there are many of your classmates who appreciate the respect you garner, and your sweet manner.
Smiles,

Jeannine

Michelle

I totally agree with you on the clothing issue.

Except....well....

I think underwear, by it's very nature, must focus on body "parts". For instance, if I buy a bra, it better be constructed to deal with a certain part of my body effectively. Same with undies, pantyhose, slips, etc. (I only mention this bc your post starts out talking about underwear and then segues into a denouncement of certain types of clothing.)

I don't buy VS bc Vickie's real "secret" is that her bras are pretty but they just don't support anyone with actual breats. They are great for smaller sizes though. Hm, probably why they are so popular with younger, less developed females. There's a thought!

Lori

I wouldn't be so quick to chalk up your classmate's remarks to manipulation. On another site, there is a very long thread about people's favorite ladies from the Golden Age of film. (http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=1884 it's funny how these two sites have paralleled each other lately)

A few people have mentioned vamps--Betty Page, Marilyn Monroe, Marlene Deitrich--but the hands-down winner is Myrna Loy. To quote some of the comments: "She is style and grace--sexy," "Whew! Something about down-to-earth, spunky and short," "She really had moxie in the 'Thin Man' movies!" In the Thin Man movies, Loy played Nora Charles: a society lady with grace, wit, style, and class. Several guys also mentioned Audrey Hepburn, Katherine Hepburn and Lauren Bacall. They mentioned how they appreciated their brains, style, grace and strength of personality.

So much for the idea of attracting men with skimpy clothes and a double-digit IQ!

L.B.

Hmm, I never realized that about the new Victoria's Secret lines. I suppose it's true. I never thought of the Pink line that way, but thinking about the items there...maybe it's true.

I find the love for lingerie that young girls have disturbing. I'm not sure that I'M old enough to wear a thong, let alone girls half my age.

(Me, I like Victoria's generously cut cotton panties...when they're on sale...but don't bother with the other things in the store.)

Sara

You state, "I feel that clothing that focuses on breasts, derrieres, navels or any other particular physical attribute really reduces girls and women to only a fraction of who they really are, and have been created to be." Conversely, don't you think that clothing that ignores breasts, derrieres, hips, and other feminine body parts also reduces girls and women to a fraction of who they really are? Don't be afraid to acknowledge your feminine beauty. And, you can do so without erring on the side of being crass and putting it on display in an exploitive manner. I think Lori's post indirectly addresses this notion. The ladies of the Gold Age knew how to accentuate their femininity—-by very much focusing on their breasts, derrieres, hips, and other feminine body parts—-without sacrificing propriety.

Lori

I believe I have correctly addressed the idea that a woman can be classy, spirited, smart, and sexy all at once. The ladies of the golden age didn't all dress the same. Betty Page, the burlesque queen, was at the opposite end of the spectrum from Myrna Loy. In the Thin Man movies, Loy typically wore respectable, upscale clothing that didn't bare cleavage or cling to her rear. Here is a link to a still of Loy from one of the Thin Man movies:

http://www.fathom.com/feature/35644/1913_Loy_lg.jpg

Likewise, can you imagine Katherine Hepburn, who wore full-cut trousers, standing on a grate with her dress flying up, as Marilyn Monroe did?

And golden age ladies "didn't sacrifice propriety"? Have a look at Marlene Dietrich:

http://www.moderntimes.com/palace/30_image/angel.jpg

I'll say again: Dietrich, Page and Monroe--the sexpots--got a few nods from the guys at the Fedora Lounge, but the overwhelming favorites were Loy, Hepburn and Hepburn--women who showed off their brains and style more than their legs and cleavage.

Jeannine

Ok, ladies, I'm not sure that conjuring up images of Marlene Dietrich is inspiring for a 16 year old. Taylor is only 16, as is the majority of her audience, with the exception of these few ladies who have chosen to comment about the fashions of my Grandma’s generation--an era that is pretty far removed from the crass culture today's teens live in.

I think Taylor’s point is obvious. So obvious that it somehow got lost on some elders who felt that stating obvious about underwear, bras and derrieres was offering insight. Michelle’s remark that “underwear, by its very nature, must focus on body ‘parts’” probably got the sarcastic response, “No. Really?” from teens.

Taylor’s point was that by being intelligent, classy, and well dressed, boys could find a girl alluring. She was floored that one of her peers thought the young Condoleeza Rice look was appealing. Why? That type of attractiveness is the exact opposite of what our culture, Victoria Secret and Abercrombie, would lead her peers to believe—those folks would rather have teens out there slapping their derriere in pride (or emblazing a heart tattoo on it for “wandering adventurer boys” as Michelle proudly states on another post).

Taylor, by no means, was denying femininity. Nor is she, “afraid to acknowledge her feminine beauty” as Sara suggests. Instead, I think she embraces it far more effectively than her elders—remember Taylor is the one who sings wonderfully the song, “I’m worth waiting for…” to hundreds and hundreds of her peers, who signs autographs for girls afterwards who admire her message. That is embracing some serious femininity, strength and adorable sweetness!

But I frankly find the comments, in the context of the original post and the age of the writer, focusing on “cotton panties” or the size of breasts of girls who buy Victoria Secret just tacky. Taylor has a wonderful manner that is alluring and adorable. Her style in life is classy, and garners respect. Thank goodness for Taylor’s lead—she has genuine wisdom and the kind of class we can all learn a lot from!

sunnyday

Hi Taylor,

I'm in a rush so I haven't read your blog yet but saw your comment at the bottom about contacting you. I'd really love to get a copy of that speech you made sometime ago that has "dreams" in the title. You mentioned it in one of your past blogs and asked to be emailed a copy but I guess you didn't see my request. Anyway, I'd love for you to send me one at sunnyday1898@yahoo.com

Thanks!

Sunny

P.S. I love reading your blogs. Keep writing =)

arthur estrada

Taylor i need some advice from you since i feel like i can't turn to any of my friends without having a problem of some sort. There is a special female friend that i have and ive been cool with her for some time now, she sounds like the type of girl that you describe yourself to be and i know i've told her that she means a lot to me because of she sounds intelligent but i said a few mean things and now i feel like she is holding a grudge against me. How can i show her that i said what i said because i love her and that my words came out wrong. If you were in her shoes, what would you expect from a guy? hit me back whenever you can-god bless you

Cassidie R.

Well, in response to your post, Taylor- I totally agree- a guy messes around with s who dress scantily, but when it comes to commitment, they want someone they can respect. Also, someone posted a comment saying that if you wear clothing that does not focus on certain parts of your body like your , or bottom, that it is reducing yourself. Come on- if a guy is attracted to you just because of your body, and you need to wear clothes to show it off, then what happens when your physical beauty fades? Don't get me wrong- i don't think we should look frumpy, but focusing on our "feminine assets" is a little deceiving to ourselves, and to the guys who notice us. I want to be noticed for my personality, and the way i love others, not by my figure. - P.S- I love what you're doing- I'm fourteen, and I need a good teenage for modesty!

Melantha Lea

I think your blog makes a lot of sense, but as said before there is nothing wrong with 'showcasing' our better assests. I am only 18 years old and have been through the phase of showing off unnecessarily my curves. Now that I'm slightly older I do agree that we need to keep it to a minimum but there is no reason to avoid these brands simply because they are focused on one body part. Apple Bottom jeans in particular, do you have any idea how difficult it is to find nice pants for a white girl with a big ass? Apple Bottoms are amazing for making jeans that fit well and comfortably so that our overly generous hips don't pop out over the jeans. You need to realize that not everyone can wear 'classic' clothing as it just does not fit our body type. I have big curves and no matter what I wear I cannot hide them so why not bring attention to the better parts, it makes me feel good about myself and guys will see you the way they want to see you no matter how you dress.

Point in fact - I used to work in a couple of kitchen and both times I was wearing baggy t-shirts and loose pants that made me look like a sack and all i heard from guys was how big my breasts were and how i had a gorgeous ass. Essentially hiding them does nothing, they will be noticed no matter what, short of bindng your breasts and wearing pants 4 sizes too big, hardly comfortable :P

apple bottoms

taylor,

i like your blogs so true and also your story! i enjoyed reading it! i like the way you feel that you have a full confident to yourself that's good! keep going!


-sidney-

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